The Shadow SIMBOT (3/3/12)

[lethalist]

Thanks,

Also another question.... You might want to update the build of simcraft that you are running on, dont know if they made to many changes with the priests between 1 and 8 of 43 ver.

Thanks for the tool need to play with it some more.

[Sepphie]

Just thought I'd drop by and say a big THANK YOU for this tool. I have never felt the need to sim my character until I went hit the 2589 haste plateau. I spent hours and hours last week playing around with simcraft - it is not the quickest or easiest tool to use. Today I went and tried simbot and it was sooooo quick :)) Its a tool I will keep using and I will trust you guys implicitly to make sure its working well. FYI, simbot came up with the same results I did with only a couple of mins going by, beats the hours I spent with simcraft last week.

Big THANK YOU.

[Kanai]

So I ran the SIMBOT and was happy when I found that there was just 112 DPS gain difference of what I was using already.
The sad part was when I see that it says that I have to be doing 36224 with my current gear, which I am only pulling 31k in fights like normal ultraxion. That leaves me to wonder that, ok , my gear, and stats are fine, so it definitely has to do something with my rotation.
I read Kylee´s guide and followed her rotation which I like and have been doing for some months now and really increased my dps since then, but after SIMBOT, not that I feel anything is wrong, but how am I going to reach that 5K difference ?? =(
Just a bit confused on that.

Kanai - US Quel´thalas

[Zarqa]

I have found that if I sim Patchwerk-style (which is what Simbot does) I get roughly 5-10% better DPS results than when I sim Ultraxion-style (added recently to the options). So, if this holds true for everyone (which I don't know), you should aim for 32601-34412 dps. In that case I find your 31k dps perfectly acceptable!

(disclaimer: I have no idea if ultraxion-mode sims that much for everyone else too)

[Zurie]

So I ran the SIMBOT and was happy when I found that there was just 112 DPS gain difference of what I was using already.
The sad part was when I see that it says that I have to be doing 36224 with my current gear, which I am only pulling 31k in fights like normal ultraxion. That leaves me to wonder that, ok , my gear, and stats are fine, so it definitely has to do something with my rotation.
I read Kylee´s guide and followed her rotation which I like and have been doing for some months now and really increased my dps since then, but after SIMBOT, not that I feel anything is wrong, but how am I going to reach that 5K difference ?? =(
Just a bit confused on that.

Kanai - US Quel´thalas

SIMBOT always assumes your raid comp includes a 10% Spell Power Buff, 3% Damage Buff, 5% Crit Buff, and 5% Spell Crit Debuff. Also keep in mind other things like Bloodlust/Heroism, Flask, Pre-Pot, Regular Pot, and Food Buff.
If you are missing one or a few of these, your DPS should be lower than what SIMBOT says it should be.

[Apostal]

This is a great tool to quickly sim the a character who's gotten new gear. One problem I've come across is that simbot doesn't like 3202 haste level unless it's through gear, I changed gems and my glove enchant (Mastery -> haste) to reach the 3202 Haste plateau for Heroic Ultraxion a week or 2 ago. However SimBOT always seems to reforge me away from this cap to 3100 odd haste and hence losing around 100dps.


@Kanai - I found the same problem myself, the theroretical dps limits that simcraft was producing weren't where I was reaching. As I'm an OK player and play with a minimum 200ms (Austalian FTW *sigh*) I found that changeing the sim options in simcraft to medium latency (100-300ms) and being a Good player brought my sims into line with my output. This had the effect of predicting on an Ultraxion sim 38-39k dps which I've been reproducing in raids (http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/s2q2 ... 754&e=7084).

So SimBOT is a quick and very efficent manner to ensure your gear is set-up correctly. Must say I LOVE the SimBOT and has really help'd improve my overall ability to compete with our warlock.

Apostal - US Dath'Remar

[Zurie]

This is a great tool to quickly sim the a character who's gotten new gear. One problem I've come across is that simbot doesn't like 3202 haste level unless it's through gear, I changed gems and my glove enchant (Mastery -> haste) to reach the 3202 Haste plateau for Heroic Ultraxion a week or 2 ago. However SimBOT always seems to reforge me away from this cap to 3100 odd haste and hence losing around 100dps.

This issue is because of the gemming and enchanting priorities...
SIMBOT never sacrifices Intellect for Haste when given the "straight-up chance".
Because of this, it will never use Haste to bracers or a Haste gem in a prismatic slot (which is what you did).
However, it does check to see if it could reach the next Haste Plateau if it were to gem for it (provided it meets the gemming preferences).
You can see the gemming preferences it uses by looking at the SIMBOT - Info page.

A good example would be to look at your ring with the yellow socket...
1 Yellow Socket with Bonus >= 10 Intellect and if it is required to reach Target Haste Rating
This tells SIMBOT to ignore the socket bonus (use a red gem) if you would not reach the next haste point even if you used a haste_int gem.
However, since it doesn't use a haste_int gem in your prismatic slot, it would not reach the next haste point and decided to use a red gem instead -- ignoring the socket bonus.

It's kind of confusing, and I'm sure I didn't explain it the best way, but I'm sure some tweaking can be done for this kind of situation.

[Apostal]

It's kind of confusing, and I'm sure I didn't explain it the best way, but I'm sure some tweaking can be done for this kind of situation.

That's all understandable, I think I see how the program is making use of the gems, and thus how it works. I'll keep that in mind into the future.

[Caewyn]

I think I might know why, but wanted to check this result

Summary
Current DPS:39742
New DPS:39717
DPS Loss: 25

I usually use mrrobot to compare, and tbh I like that set up a lot, it puts me a lot closer to hit cap and provides a lot of haste (although short of the 3202 mark). I'm assuming this sim is designed to pull me close to 2589?

[Zarqa]

I think I might know why, but wanted to check this result

Summary
Current DPS:39742
New DPS:39717
DPS Loss: 25

I usually use mrrobot to compare, and tbh I like that set up a lot, it puts me a lot closer to hit cap and provides a lot of haste (although short of the 3202 mark). I'm assuming this sim is designed to pull me close to 2589?

Actually, it aims for the 3rd DP tick (2737) if you are between 2589 and 3202, which a lot of priests ignore as I understand it, because you usually refresh DP before it runs out.

Zurie, would it give better (or more relevant) results if that haste point was taken out?