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DPS, Gear, Rotation and other thingies.

DPS, Gear, Rotation and other thingies.

Postby Gati » October 10th, 2011, 2:50 am

Hello every shadow priest :).

My nickname is Gati and I'm playing on Bladefist server. Here you can find my armory link:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/bladefist/Gati/simple

Anyway, from time to time I'm wondering if everything about my char I am doing properly. Every single piece of my rotation, build, eq was made all by myself only. But (like today) when 2 meeles with ilvl lower by 10 are overdpsing me in stupid HC dungeon pretty seriously I am starting to worry a little bit. Not that I think I should rule the world, no no - just want to make sure if I cannot improve something.

Well, you can check me on the armory. Hitcapped as needed. There was a time that I was going into haste like a blind man, but now I've decided to put smth in mastery or crit. Dont know anything about softcapp or hardcapp about mastery, haste, crit - u can say smth about that.
Whats the limit of haste ? Since Ive got 5% buff from myself and +3% haste from Warlock its around 31-32% haste. Isn't it too much ? Too low ?

Most important thing I wanted to ask. Rotation.
Lets talk about boss rotation, because trash is not that important for me. You can imagine dummy or any boss u want - but nothing that makes me move or doing somthing that can break my dps. Just want to find out if my order of spells, dots, casts is good - or if it can be any better.
Im opening with Fade just before pull, so my GCD is over and I can start my rotation with everybody. After Fade im starting with VT, then SWP and DP. Then Mind Flay until 1st orb. When I have it - Mind Blast to get the buff. Start to Mind Flay all over again. And now is the question I am struggling for some time alrdy. Should I wait until new orb ( or 3 of them ) with my Mind Blast to renew the buff - or spam it just when MB's CD wears off without waiting for orbs and just forget about buff. I may loose buff sometimes and extra dps from DOTs but MB is biggest direct DMG I can couse and wasting it because of waiting for orb may be a more DPS loss than gain from DOTs buff. What do you think ?
And if I should wait for orbs, should I wait for 1st available and shoot MB or wait for 3 and then have some better DMG from MB too.
OFC my prio are DOTs so they are constantly up. I also try to move all the time while im throwing SWD and DP to have bigger chance to proc my shadowy aparation.
Also at the start, just before first MB im popping Shadow Fiend, Archangel (only with 5 stacks of Evangelism, what is like 1,7-2 Mind Flay casts) to have some "burst".
Im using my Volcanic Potion only when Hero is up (with one exception). Also trying to save Shadow Fiend and Archangel to pop all together when Hero starts. Just to have greatest dps improvement - but only if I know the exact moment of the fight when hero is going to be used by Shammy or a water mach... sorry ... by a mage ^^.
Is there any difference in order of dotting ? I mean should SWP be first ? Or DP ? Or VT ( like Im doing it ) ? Or just put them at the same time without paying any attention which will be first.

Sorry its that long, but really want to say anything that may be needed for u to improve my playing style and DPS ofc.

I will be very very greatful if u answer me with some informations. Ask if I forget about somthing.
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Re: DPS, Gear, Rotation and other thingies.

Postby Schisme » October 10th, 2011, 3:32 am

In the time it took you to write this up you could have read kilee's wonderful guide and answered most/all of your questions. I don't have time at the moment to answer them for you, so I will have to leave you a like to Kilee's thread.

Good luck!
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Re: DPS, Gear, Rotation and other thingies.

Postby Gati » October 10th, 2011, 3:39 am

Well, I've read it like 4 times already :). It does not answer all my questions. Some - yeah, ofc but still wanted to see other people's opinion.

Thanks for good luck, will need it ;-).
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Re: DPS, Gear, Rotation and other thingies.

Postby didimissone » October 10th, 2011, 4:46 am

But (like today) when 2 meeles with ilvl lower by 10 are overdpsing me in stupid HC


I would not bother with that AT ALL.

Seeing you are not running with 2589 haste in a HC dungeon and that you HAVE DI buff on raids.

Thats where it mathers.... show some WOL if you want specific help on specific fights. Saying overall dps is shitty with nothing to back it up is not helping us nor does it help you :-)
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Re: DPS, Gear, Rotation and other thingies.

Postby Gati » October 10th, 2011, 2:49 pm

Dear didimissone,

I do not have DI during raids all the times. There are situations there our warlock just slacks or he does not get a spot ( or he passes it to other caster ).

What do you mean but showing u some WOL ... I can provide u all the information that u ask for, just tell which ones.

How about my rotation, do you see any mistakes out there ? Anything to improve ?
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Re: DPS, Gear, Rotation and other thingies.

Postby Ashleycakez » October 10th, 2011, 5:09 pm

WoL = World of Logs.

www.worldoflogs.com

It is a website which you can upload your guild's raid stats and it will display all sorts of delicious information for everyone so you can see who is performing well and who is slacking off.
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Re: DPS, Gear, Rotation and other thingies.

Postby Gati » October 11th, 2011, 1:02 am

Thank you sir!
I will check it out right away and try to provide some valuable informations.

edit:I've installed WOL so let me gather some data for you during this night's raid please :). Have an eye on this post :).

Best regards, Gati.
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Re: DPS, Gear, Rotation and other thingies.

Postby didimissone » October 12th, 2011, 4:09 am

Sorry about the WOL thing ... i was assuming too much!

For the Lock if he slacks in raid there is a serious problem.

i`ve made a macro asking the lock to kindly provide DI for me (works like a charm and he never forgets it now).

Getting to 2589 haste should be a nice prio. One or two pieces and you should be ok.

Rotation wise to anwser your questions this is what i do:

- Spam MB at each cooldown even without an orb
- Dont renew your DP or VT until the last second if you dont have ES up
- Dont let DP and VT go down of course
- Recast your DP and VT the second you have ES up (that in the case you had to do a DP and VT without ES up.
- Try to mach all this with the volcano trinket buff (recasting VT and DP the second the buff is up and at the end of it)

Hope it helps.
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Re: DPS, Gear, Rotation and other thingies.

Postby Gati » October 12th, 2011, 10:30 pm

Hello there,

Sorry for 2 days delay, but during Tuesday I had huge lags so non logs would tell you anything. Last night we had nice raid: Shannox, Beth'ilac, Baleroc and Alysrazor which finally didnt die. All on HC. I've never used WOL before, so im linking you my guild's calendar. As far as I think you can check last day's raid DPS ( and Gati - who is me ) from there.
Btw, taht tool is incredibile amazing. Im just so happy u showed me that. Its perfect database of informations I just needed! Was thinking to start writing an addon or smth like that already! Really really great tool.

And ... now I'm 4/5 of T12 so it's wise to spam MB jusr when CD goes off and make sure all DOT's are up. Most of things I am doing just as you said so problably I have to push buttons harder :) ... just like author of that guide wrote.

Haste.
I've played with lock last day ... and I had 32,89% hasste. Haven't checked the rating unfortunatelly so I'm not sure if I got extra DP tick, but there should be one more of SWP for sure ( haven't counted tho ). I'm not sure if I should go more in haste or not. Mr. Robot says : mastery on boots and gloves. I do not like maastery at all. I really prefer stack to haste rather than doing strange enchants on gloves and boots ... with mastery ... just common sence ;p.
I know that mastery is a powerful stat ... but its for dots, isn't it. Since I'm "blindly" spamming MB not even waiting for Shadow Orbs to get Empowered Shadows buff it's quite obvious mastery is not that useful anymore.

Here's the link for my guild on WOL:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/165806/

Let me know if it does not work or I should provide something else. I'm not sure if u can see that even when ur logged on your private account.
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