So what if you don't want to raid in mists

[Marathal]

Hope this doesn't get shouts of blasphemy. :)

I've done the progression raiding thing. I do ok.

I've tried my hand at arena and I can hold my own if it's not a one sided match.

At this point in my life I don't have the time available to do any one aspect of the game to the level really needed to do well. But I want to always keep up with the current thoughts and builds, rotations, strats.

So my question for those of you possibly doing heroic dungeons.

What are our numbers to shoot for. We saw in Cata the jump in hit required to go from heroics to raids. Is it similar for mists?

[Sedrel]

The difference in hit requirement between heroic dungeon and raid bosses has always been there, as dungeon bosses are level cap + 2, whereas raid bosses (skull level mobs) are considered your level + 3. So dungeon bosses will be 92, and raid bosses will be 93.

I'm not sure what the exact hit requirement will be for the dungeon bosses, as hit is being changed a bit (I think it will be 15% to raid hit cap, rather than the 17% that we currently need).

[Marathal]

I was actually thinking about trying an experiment, well to have some fun too. Reforging as much spirit and hit as possible to get down to a level 87 boss and tossing it all into Haste/Mastery. Just to see how hard we can hit.

[Arlee]

On the topic of hit... I wonder how the changes in MoP will affect us in relation to hit actually. In Cata it was sort of fluid where if you were a little under hit cap it wouldn't really negatively affect your dps. In some cases and gear levels a person could go further below hit cap and see positive results.

With all the possible procs and how bursty spriest seems to be feeling so far I am guessing that it will likely be back to the "must be hit capped at all costs".

[Marathal]

I'm kind of curious because of the challenge dungeons. It is getting near impossible now to do 25's beyond LFR, 10's even require getting the occasional pug or 3. At least on my server.

Much easier to get 4 other friends. Who knows maybe it will have the benefit of making people better raiders having to work things out and strategize and work together.

I don't know right now. There is so much to do looming on the horizon. I have always wanted to experience everything, not confine myself to one aspect of the game. Well it will be an interesting Fall that's for sure.

[Marathal]

Arlee, I agree. For the longest time when people asked for help over on SP.com if they were over hit cap we would recomend dropping right to 17% or a little under. Looking at logs of people in the 16.5% range, you might have seen 1 MF miss, or a tick on one DoT. I do not recall ever seeing any Mind Blast misses with the exception of people that were down in the 15% range. I have always tried to keep between 16.8 and I think right now I am at 17.02 thanks to reforgelite.

I know it would certainly throw me off if I had 1 orb, cast MB, and had the instant cast proc to get a 3rd and be looking to go right into a DP cast, only to have the instant cast miss.

[Arlee]

Oh, also they had said at some point that they wanted to make it so that people on different realms (through real ID) could group up and do current difficulty raids. Which could open some interesting possibilities there if they go through with that.

MB misses are very rare in general do to the fact that compared to the amount we cast MB it's lees likely we will miss on that spell instead of on others (meaning more opportunities to miss on other spells) plus it helped that even if you missed on MB you still got ES.

In MoP it'll probably depend a lot on if you have to hit to get the procs and how much all the procs actually end up increasing our dps.

[Marathal]

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[Marathal]

I think I may have to start a whole new character, just to learn this all from the begining. I went back into beta over the weekend, and aside from getting owned by a level 11 attacking Ogrimmar with 65k health cutting through my Cata gladiator gear like it was nothing, I was at a complete loss.

I read what you guys are saying, but I couldnt see the big picture I guess. I tried looking at talents, tried configuring action bars for spell priority. It all was a mess. I went to the dummies, and tried working on a rotation, it felt jerky and like I was waiting at times, panicing because something was up while casting somehting else. Maybe because I am only at 85 I guess.

I do think being at hit cap is going to be a must. But I just don't get the big picture right now. It mostly felt like mashing buttons as soon as they proc'ed. If I am going to be stressed over having to make sure I hit proc's at perfect timing, and have to rely on Add on programs to play for me, I may as well quit, because it is no longer me playing the game. Its Shadow Priest whack a mole.

Tried heading off to the new zone but all I saw were corpes. Looks like its being turned into a PvP amusment park. I will buy Mists. I will level my main to 90. But I will probably just explore, and do the dailies until my eye bleed.

[Veiled]

eh don't judge mop fully on what's happening on beta. Everything will change half-a-dozen+ times before then. The level 11 thing is a bug that they obviously haven't fixed. If it makes you feel any better, I was ganked my first full night of leveling by a level 3. At 90, there's not really anything to do since people don't want to grind rep for nothing/can't raid and so on.. so people come out and gank lowbies who are leveling. I'm guilty of it myself.

Don't let it get you so down. It's normal for a beta.