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Windsong or Jade Spirit?

Windsong or Jade Spirit?

Postby Monthlyrage » 26 Aug 2012, 18:51

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Jade Spirit is 1650 int for 12sec, on a 50sec ICD, so it should be around a 20-25% uptime.

Windsong is 1500 crit/mastery/haste, all separate buffs, each lasting for 12 seconds, with no ICD. The average uptime of each buff is supposed to be somewhere around 50%.

Given our stat weights, and Windsong having double the uptime, wouldn't Windsong be the go-to enchant for us spriests and not Jade Spirit?

Or am I missing something? I apologize if this is supposed to be really obvious.
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Re: Windsong or Jade Spirit?

Postby Twintop » 26 Aug 2012, 19:04

It looks like each buff has a ~15% uptime now, not 50%

If we use these stat weights (which is below the 8085 Haste breakpoint)

Int = 1.0000
Spirit = 0.5932
Spell Power = 0.8153
Hit = 0.5932
Crit = 0.4068
Haste = 0.7546
Mastery = 0.3751
DPS (Pure Damage) = 0.2812

If we figure maximum uptime for each (I.E. as soon as the ICD is done it procs again without any delay), we get:

Jade Spirit: 1650*12/45 = 440 PP

Windsong (50% uptime for each): 1500*0.15*0.4068 + 1500*0.15*0.3751 + 1500*0.15*0.7546 = ~346 PP

I wouldn't count on using Windsong for DPS as Shadow. The value of Haste is already very high and drops to worse than Mastery once you hit 8085.
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Re: Windsong or Jade Spirit?

Postby Monthlyrage » 26 Aug 2012, 19:06

Bah. Dunno how I missed the uptime change for Windsong.

Well, that certainly simplifies things, haha.
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Re: Windsong or Jade Spirit?

Postby Twintop » 26 Aug 2012, 19:22

Windsong is a very 'cheap' enchant compared to Jade Spirit, though. I can see using it on blues up to 489/496 ilvl items because of the lack of crystals available.
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Re: Windsong or Jade Spirit?

Postby Monthlyrage » 30 Aug 2012, 15:51

So I finally got a character on beta to 90, and since the price of Jade Spirit was through the roof on my beta server, I snagged Windsong.

In my testing, Windsong has a ~20% uptime on each buff, rather than 15%. I don't have logs at the moment, so I'll see if my guild will give me WoL access. For the time being, others will have to verify this; I know the holy priest guide on these forums mentions the same thing, though.

(using Twintop's "before 8085 haste" stat weights)

Crit: 1500 * 0.2 * 0.4068 = 122.04

Haste: 1500 * 0.2 * 0.7546 = 226.38

Mastery: 1500 * 0.2 * 0.3751 = 112.53

Total value of Windsong = 460.95

Jade Spirit, meanwhile, actually has a 50sec ICD, as mentioned here. Which means its equalized intellect value is 396 ((1650 * 12)/50).

This should mean, then, that Windsong is worth more DPS than Jade Spirit before 8085 haste.

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Windsong after 8085 haste (using Twintop's stat weights):

Crit: 1500 * 0.2 * 0.4358 = 130.74

Haste: 1500 * 0.2 * 0.4173 = 125.19

Mastery: 1500 * 0.2 * 0.4195 = 125.85

Total value of Windsong AFTER 8085 haste = 381.78

Jade Spirit value after 8085 haste = 396 (same as before)

Jade Spirit takes over as being better after 8085 haste.

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Pretty sure the math checks out. Anyone else able to confirm? Mind you, I don't have a hardon for Windsong. Just interested in what will give me the best DPS.
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Re: Windsong or Jade Spirit?

Postby Monthlyrage » 03 Sep 2012, 07:05

Anyone else able to confirm this?

Checked SimCraft, and Windsong is broken on it, reporting a 2.3% uptime for each, which is way off.
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Re: Windsong or Jade Spirit?

Postby Urmac » 26 Sep 2012, 20:09

Windsong: 1PPM on melee damage, or non-periodic spell damage/healing, with a 1-second cooldown.

I don't think Windsong is worth anything now, I enchanted it on my weapon early on in leveling and it barely procs at all now, even when it does, it is only proccing 1 stat at a time. Not sure if this is bugged.

Whether it is bugged or not, right now that makes elemental force way better if it stays as 1 proc of 1 stat per minute. Blizzard has this to say:

Elemental Force: 5PPM on melee damage, or non-periodic spell damage/healing, with a 0.1-second cooldown. (Says 3k damage on proc)

Which = ~200 dps, much better than 1 proc&stat per minute.

Jade spirit is the one to get once you can get the crystals for it, but pretty sure EF is better than WS right now unless WS gets fixed.
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Re: Windsong or Jade Spirit?

Postby derevka » 28 Sep 2012, 04:25

Also important that JadeSpirit requires Shado Pan rep. Which before you can get that you need revered Golden Lotus. Which won't happen before this Tuesdays dungeon unlocks. (Human Realm First's and have to be enchanters MIGHT have it by Next Friday if I calculate the rep correctly...)

Just use Song until then... It's cheap so it's not much to sink in.
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Re: Windsong or Jade Spirit?

Postby Drye » 28 Sep 2012, 07:57

Yeah, I'm a big fan of how cheap the enchant is.
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Re: Windsong or Jade Spirit?

Postby Nephelee » 29 Sep 2012, 13:02

So with Windsong being bugged, I'm assuming we would be better off using Power Torrent for now?
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