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[L100] Current Optimal Beta DPS Build/Rotations/Stat Weights

Re: Current Optimal Beta DPS Build/Rotations/Stat Weights

Postby Dego » 02 Oct 2014, 22:20

Links are just getting renewed every 2-3 days.

Here's an actual Link: http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/T1 ... -2-14.html

With the rotation in the spreadsheet and the stats i posted above, i bottom out at ~16k DPS on dummy. But obviously this doesn't mean so much cause gear isn't optimal (PvE & PvP gear).

Here is the rotation (Patchwerk style with optimal raidbuffs). Sure, this is an abstraction. No movement, bis-gear, but like i said before, the rotation is fun to play.

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Pre   flask   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
Pre   food   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
Pre   shadowform   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
Pre   potion   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
0:00.000   mind_spike   99% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
0:00.000   berserking   99% mana | 0.0 shadow_orb
0:00.000   mind_blast   99% mana | 0.0 shadow_orb
0:01.139   shadowfiend   100% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
0:02.145   halo   100% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
0:03.151   mind_spike   99% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
0:04.156   mind_spike   99% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
0:05.161   mind_blast   99% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
0:06.165   mind_spike   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
0:07.169   mind_spike   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
0:08.173   mind_spike   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
0:09.176   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
0:10.179   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
0:11.184   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
0:12.188   mind_blast   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
0:13.194   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
0:14.198   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
0:15.203   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
0:16.208   mind_blast   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
0:17.212   shadow_word_pain   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
0:18.217   vampiric_touch   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
0:19.225   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
0:20.230   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
0:21.234   insanity   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
0:22.765   mind_flay   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
0:24.064   mind_blast   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
0:25.069   devouring_plague   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
0:26.073   mind_blast   100% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
0:27.078   insanity   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
0:28.532   mind_flay   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
0:29.918   mind_blast   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
0:30.924   mind_flay   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
0:32.546   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
0:33.550   mind_blast   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
0:34.560   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
0:35.569   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
0:36.578   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
0:37.586   mind_blast   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
0:38.594   shadow_word_pain   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
0:39.602   vampiric_touch   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
0:40.611   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
0:41.619   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
0:42.915   insanity   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
0:45.622   mind_flay   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
0:47.706   mind_blast   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
0:48.943   devouring_plague   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
0:50.253   insanity   100% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
0:51.719   mind_blast   99% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
0:52.989   insanity   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
0:55.746   vampiric_touch   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
0:56.981   shadow_word_pain   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
0:58.217   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
0:59.525   mind_flay   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
1:04.343   mind_blast   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
1:05.650   devouring_plague   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
1:06.959   insanity   100% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
1:08.556   mind_blast   99% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
1:09.828   insanity   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
1:11.768   mind_spike   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
1:13.003   halo   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
1:14.240   mind_blast   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
1:15.476   mind_spike   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
1:16.787   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
1:18.095   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
1:19.405   mind_blast   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
1:20.714   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
1:22.023   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
1:23.332   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
1:24.640   mind_blast   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
1:25.950   shadow_word_pain   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
1:27.260   vampiric_touch   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
1:28.570   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
1:29.879   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
1:31.175   insanity   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
1:35.872   mind_blast   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
1:37.108   devouring_plague   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
1:38.344   insanity   100% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
1:39.728   mind_blast   99% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
1:41.000   insanity   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
1:43.793   mind_spike   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
1:45.029   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
1:46.264   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
1:47.574   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
1:48.883   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
1:50.192   mind_blast   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
1:51.503   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
1:52.812   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
1:54.122   halo   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
1:55.431   mind_blast   99% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
1:56.742   shadow_word_pain   99% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
1:58.051   vampiric_touch   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
1:59.361   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
2:00.476   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
2:01.581   insanity   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
2:05.637   mind_blast   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
2:06.689   devouring_plague   99% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
2:07.742   insanity   100% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
2:09.022   mind_blast   99% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
2:10.047   insanity   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
2:12.604   mind_spike   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
2:13.773   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
2:14.944   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
2:16.254   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
2:17.563   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
2:18.873   mind_blast   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
2:20.184   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
2:21.493   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
2:22.802   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
2:24.111   mind_blast   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
2:25.419   shadow_word_pain   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
2:26.727   vampiric_touch   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
2:28.037   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
2:29.346   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
2:30.644   insanity   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
2:34.954   mind_blast   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
2:36.007   devouring_plague   99% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
2:37.058   insanity   100% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
2:38.306   mind_blast   99% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
2:39.331   insanity   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
2:41.634   mind_spike   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
2:42.803   mind_blast   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
2:43.809   halo   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
2:44.814   mind_spike   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
2:45.929   mind_spike   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
2:47.045   mind_blast   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
2:48.160   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
2:49.275   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
2:50.391   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
2:51.507   mind_blast   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
2:52.623   shadow_word_pain   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
2:53.738   vampiric_touch   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
2:55.047   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
2:56.358   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
2:57.655   insanity   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
3:02.371   berserking   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
3:02.371   mind_blast   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
3:03.447   devouring_plague   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
3:04.521   insanity   100% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
3:05.774   mind_blast   99% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
3:06.819   insanity   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
3:09.206   mind_spike   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
3:10.224   mind_blast   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
3:11.241   shadowfiend   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
3:12.257   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
3:13.398   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
3:14.707   mind_blast   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
3:16.016   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
3:17.323   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
3:18.632   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
3:19.941   mind_blast   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
3:21.250   shadow_word_pain   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
3:22.560   vampiric_touch   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
3:23.868   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
3:25.177   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
3:26.473   insanity   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
3:31.097   mind_blast   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
3:32.333   devouring_plague   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
3:33.568   insanity   100% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
3:35.116   mind_blast   99% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
3:36.387   insanity   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
3:38.418   mind_spike   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
3:39.654   halo   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
3:40.889   mind_blast   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
3:42.125   mind_spike   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
3:43.435   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
3:44.744   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
3:46.053   mind_blast   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
3:47.361   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
3:48.672   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
3:49.788   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
3:50.904   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
3:52.020   mind_blast   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
3:53.135   shadow_word_pain   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
3:54.249   vampiric_touch   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
3:55.364   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
3:56.480   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
3:57.585   insanity   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
3:59.418   insanity   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
4:02.163   mind_blast   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
4:03.397   devouring_plague   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
4:04.634   insanity   100% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
4:06.112   mind_blast   99% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
4:07.383   insanity   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
4:10.193   mind_spike   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
4:11.429   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
4:12.665   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
4:13.976   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
4:15.287   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
4:16.596   mind_blast   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
4:17.906   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
4:19.215   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
4:20.329   halo   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
4:21.443   mind_spike   99% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
4:22.558   mind_blast   99% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
4:23.675   shadow_word_pain   99% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
4:24.793   vampiric_touch   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
4:25.908   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
4:27.023   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
4:28.128   insanity   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
4:30.075   insanity   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
4:32.827   mind_blast   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
4:34.063   devouring_plague   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
4:35.301   insanity   100% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
4:36.865   mind_blast   99% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
4:38.138   insanity   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
4:40.893   mind_spike   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
4:42.129   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
4:43.364   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
4:44.672   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
4:45.980   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
4:47.291   mind_blast   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
4:48.600   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
4:49.910   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
4:51.218   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
4:52.526   mind_blast   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
4:53.836   shadow_word_pain   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
4:55.147   vampiric_touch   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
4:56.458   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
4:57.768   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
4:59.065   insanity   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
5:03.690   mind_blast   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
5:04.925   devouring_plague   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
5:06.162   insanity   100% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
5:07.633   mind_blast   99% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
5:08.904   insanity   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
5:11.600   mind_spike   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
5:12.837   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
5:14.072   halo   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
5:15.381   mind_spike   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
5:16.693   mind_spike   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
5:18.003   mind_blast   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
5:19.313   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
5:20.623   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
5:21.933   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
5:23.242   mind_blast   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
5:24.552   shadow_word_pain   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
5:25.861   vampiric_touch   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
5:27.170   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
5:28.480   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
5:29.775   insanity   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
5:34.426   mind_blast   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
5:35.662   devouring_plague   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
5:36.899   insanity   100% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
5:38.499   mind_blast   99% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
5:39.771   insanity   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
5:41.923   mind_spike   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
5:43.158   mind_spike   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
5:44.394   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
5:45.629   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
5:46.938   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
5:48.248   mind_spike   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
5:49.557   mind_blast   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
5:50.867   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
5:52.176   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
5:53.485   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
5:54.794   mind_blast   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
5:56.103   shadow_word_pain   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
5:57.411   vampiric_touch   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
5:58.721   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
6:00.030   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
6:01.325   insanity   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
6:05.929   berserking   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
6:05.929   mind_blast   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
6:07.003   shadow_word_death   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
6:08.079   devouring_plague   99% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
6:09.221   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
6:10.348   shadow_word_death   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
6:11.454   shadowfiend   99% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
6:12.550   insanity   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
6:14.986   mind_blast   99% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
6:16.062   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
6:17.298   insanity   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
6:18.851   mind_blast   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
6:20.123   shadow_word_death   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
6:21.383   shadow_word_death   99% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
6:22.619   devouring_plague   99% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
6:23.844   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
6:25.056   insanity   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
6:28.201   devouring_plague   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
6:29.370   mind_blast   99% mana | 0.0 shadow_orb
6:30.538   shadow_word_death   99% mana | 1.0 shadow_orb
6:31.708   shadow_word_death   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
6:32.878   halo   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
6:34.048   mind_blast   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
6:35.218   mind_spike   99% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
6:36.388   mind_spike   99% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
6:37.556   mind_spike   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
6:38.864   mind_blast   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
6:40.173   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
6:41.482   shadow_word_death   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
6:42.779   mind_blast   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
6:44.061   shadow_word_death   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
6:45.321   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
6:46.567   potion   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
6:46.567   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
6:47.787   insanity   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
6:50.549   mind_spike   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
6:51.555   mind_blast   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
6:52.561   shadow_word_death   99% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
6:53.566   devouring_plague   99% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
6:54.571   mind_blast   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
6:55.576   shadow_word_death   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
6:56.579   insanity   99% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
6:59.049   mind_blast   99% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
7:00.219   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
7:01.388   insanity   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
7:03.484   mind_blast   99% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
7:04.488   shadow_word_death   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
7:05.490   shadow_word_death   99% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
7:06.495   devouring_plague   99% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
7:07.500   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
7:08.503   insanity   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
7:10.303   insanity   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
7:12.445   mind_blast   99% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
7:13.613   shadow_word_death   99% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
7:14.782   devouring_plague   99% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
7:16.093   mind_blast   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb
7:17.388   shadow_word_death   100% mana | 3.0 shadow_orb
7:18.672   insanity   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
7:21.358   mind_blast   100% mana | 4.0 shadow_orb
7:22.595   devouring_plague   100% mana | 5.0 shadow_orb
7:23.830   insanity   100% mana | 2.0 shadow_orb


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Re: Current Optimal Beta DPS Build/Rotations/Stat Weights

Postby Anshlun » 03 Oct 2014, 02:14

Twintop wrote:In short, fuck Mastery.

/grabs some popcorn


Now that's something I wasn't expecting, damn.

Interested if that will stay in the same fashioned order until we see a RC build.

Edit:
@Twintop: Do you have any numbers for T16H scaling?

Edit2: I've seen someone did sims for T16H in simcraft: http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/T1 ... l#player16
But I really don't consider optimal using ToF and GoMH for a single target fight, so not going to use it as a base.
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Re: Current Optimal Beta DPS Build/Rotations/Stat Weights

Postby Twintop » 03 Oct 2014, 07:23

Dropson wrote:Considering all the times blue posts mentioned how we'll be forced to use heavy mastery gear to do decent single target damage I really begin to doubt if they even have a basic understanding of their own game.

I'm surprised to see multistrike being so high. Guess it won't be a pointless stat after all.


Hyugarr wrote:So multistrike is the best stat for COP ? O_O


Something to remember is that I take the top 2 L45+L75 talent combos per fight type (Top 2 for L45+L75+L100 as well for the combined, though I'll probably up this to Top 5 because there are 3x the combinations). The reason Multistrike is so high is because SoD is #2 across the board for CoP and a high contender for AS and VEnt -- I.E., Devouring Plague multistrikes give an extra tick, which is an extra opportunity to proc SoD.

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Sphinxz wrote:I'm kinda surprised that CoP w/o DoT Weaving is still pulling ahead on crit!


That's almost entirely thanks to Shadowy Apparitions spawning from SWP used during the weaving.


I've been meaning to ask you what you make of the state of spriests on the beta as of right now.

Your approach is bound a lot more in actual numbers rather than feeling.

Do you think they finally got rid of the hybridtax?
Will we be competitive on Single Target as it has been promised?
Are we looking at another expansion where we will have to play almost perfectly to be middle/top of the pack?

Thank you for all the work you put in for this community. It's a great help!


If we gear high Mastery and CoP, we'll be competitive in single target. Once you start adding multiple targets, though, Mastery's value tanks (for all L100 talents) because the extra damage you're doing on secondary targets is going to be coming from SWP+SA, VT, and SWD sniping (and VEnt if spec'd). None of that benefits from Mastery at all.

The biggest issue I see, mostly on MMO, is people are clamoring for changes when Shadow has been strong throughout beta (including in raid testing) and is one of the least changed specs (mechanically) from MoP. Our problems in MoP came from offhealing (and being balanced/taxed around it), and, our Mastery holding us back for potential single target damage. Now that we have a gearing choice for how we want to do damage (just like every other damaging class in the game outside of MAYBE Paladin and Monk, where they have 3 true role choices instead of 2 like Priests), we have more ways to be balanced/tuned.

Overall, Shadow is in a very good place. Sure, the changes to GoMH stink but it makes the line in the sand pretty obvious on when you should use it (which wasn't there when it was only +4sec). All 3 L100 choices have their own oddities that need to be sorted out: CoP has some balancing problems because of it's design and has lead to DoT Weaving being a thing; VEnt has a lackluster feeling and problems with orb generation + maintenance + not interacting with set bonuses well; AS has serious scaling issues that will make it the equivalent of Fire Mages for Shadow. All 3 are effectively making sub specs where this is the first iteration on the design. I don't expect them to be perfect out the gate, but all 3 are perfectly functional and will make interesting gameplay choices for 90-95% of people who choose to play as Shadow -- this was the Devs' design goal, and I think they succeeded.

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Twintop wrote:In short, fuck Mastery.

/grabs some popcorn


Now that's something I wasn't expecting, damn.

Interested if that will stay in the same fashioned order until we see a RC build.

Edit:
@Twintop: Do you have any numbers for T16H scaling?

Edit2: I've seen someone did sims for T16H in simcraft: http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/T1 ... l#player16
But I really don't consider optimal using ToF and GoMH for a single target fight, so not going to use it as a base.


I haven't touched T16H profiles in over a year (not even to rebalance them for 4/4 upgrades). Tanned pinged me on Twitter to see if I had anything as well. He's working up something AFAIK, but my focus is on trying to cover everything for L100, not the 4-5 weeks in the middle on content that was old 6 months ago. :)
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Re: Current Optimal Beta DPS Build/Rotations/Stat Weights

Postby Tanned » 03 Oct 2014, 08:54

I'm running many sims. One problem is that SimC looks set up for only level 100 stat value conversions.

In other words, it treats your stats at level 90 as if they converted at the level 100 rate. If you would be at haste cap at 90, it reads you as at about 13% haste at 100. I may need a new version to fix things.
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Re: Current Optimal Beta DPS Build/Rotations/Stat Weights

Postby Twintop » 03 Oct 2014, 10:07

Tanned wrote:I'm running many sims. One problem is that SimC looks set up for only level 100 stat value conversions.

In other words, it treats your stats at level 90 as if they converted at the level 100 rate. If you would be at haste cap at 90, it reads you as at about 13% haste at 100. I may need a new version to fix things.


Responded to your tweet, but replying here as well. SimC has the scaling factors for every level built in. If you're seeing this weird behavior then there's probably a configuration problem somewhere. Can you share your profile or an output?
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Re: Current Optimal Beta DPS Build/Rotations/Stat Weights

Postby Hyugarr » 03 Oct 2014, 11:43

Devouring Plague multistrikes give an extra tick, which is an extra opportunity to proc SoD.


Multistrike can give procs on extra ticks ? I'm pretty sure that i read everywhere that nothing can proc from multistrikes .
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Re: Current Optimal Beta DPS Build/Rotations/Stat Weights

Postby Blackmorgrim » 03 Oct 2014, 11:51

Its not proccing from multistrikes, but from the conflag effect DP has.

When the initial hit of DP multistrikes, effectively what happens is that you cast DP, and then a smaller DP a fraction of a second later.

Whenever DP dots overlap, the remaining damage from the first dot is added to the second dot, and then the total damage is delivered over 7 ticks instead of 6.
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Re: Current Optimal Beta DPS Build/Rotations/Stat Weights

Postby Hyugarr » 03 Oct 2014, 11:56

Blackmorgrim wrote:Its not proccing from multistrikes, but from the conflag effect DP has.

When the initial hit of DP multistrikes, effectively what happens is that you cast DP, and then a smaller DP a fraction of a second later.

Whenever DP dots overlap, the remaining damage from the first dot is added to the second dot, and then the total damage is delivered over 7 ticks instead of 6.


I didn't know that ... And if you were multistriking 4 times (or enough time) over the duration of DP , would it give you a 8th tick ? Or will you just have a super 7th tick ?
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Re: Current Optimal Beta DPS Build/Rotations/Stat Weights

Postby Twintop » 03 Oct 2014, 12:03

Hyugarr wrote:
Blackmorgrim wrote:Its not proccing from multistrikes, but from the conflag effect DP has.

When the initial hit of DP multistrikes, effectively what happens is that you cast DP, and then a smaller DP a fraction of a second later.

Whenever DP dots overlap, the remaining damage from the first dot is added to the second dot, and then the total damage is delivered over 7 ticks instead of 6.


I didn't know that ... And if you were multistriking 4 times over the duration of DP , would it give you a 8th tick ?


DP ticks have their damage fixed based on what the original on-hit damage was, I.E. if DP hits for 6000, each of 6 ticks will do 1000 (6*1000 = 6000). No crits, no multistrikes on the TICKS. If DP crits for 12000, each of 6 ticks will do 2000 (6 * 2000 = 12000).

DP has an ignite mechanic tied to it. If you cast another DP when there's already a DP on the target, it takes the remaining damage left and adds it to your new DP's dot damage. I.E.: DP is ticking for 1000 and has 2 ticks left. I cast DP for 6000, so each tick from that should also do 1000. The duration of DP resets just like DoT timers reset in MoP presently, so it has 7 ticks (time til next tick + the 6 ticks). The damage each of these ticks does will be ((2 * 1000) + 6000)/7 = 1143 per tick for 7 ticks, because 2 ticks are left on the original DP.

When DP's on-hit multistrikes, it's treated like a reapplication of DP, just like in the scenario above, but at T = 0.366 sec (and T = 0.866 sec for the second MS if it happens, IIRC), so you end up with 7 ticks instead of 6 and an extra chance to proc SoD.
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Re: Current Optimal Beta DPS Build/Rotations/Stat Weights

Postby Hyugarr » 03 Oct 2014, 12:09

Ok i think i got it .

Thanks for your detailed explanation .
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