My shadow bitching topic :)

[Evilif]

What do you think about our new PvP playstyle?

What I have found until now is that Blizz has been giving us more cc and cutting off our damage (reduced cooldowns on disarm, reduced cast time on MC, Psyfiend, etc).

Back in wotlk a devouring plague insta damage crit used to do 3~4k (we had, if much 30k hp), and thats what I crit with Sw:P with 6k more spellpower than I had in WotlK (and now ppl have 140k hp).

We do not have a cheap dispel anymore, that *new* mass dispell can, and will dry us.

We can not remove diseases anymore (abolish disease and remove disease are gone), we can only remove magical effects with the "new" mass dispel.

Offensive dispel now removes 1 buff instead of 2.

Devouring plague is now magic (lolnerf).

Vampiric touch can be dispelled without any harm.

We need shadow orbs to disarm.

We are hell lots more proc based (Hating this).

As you can see my main concern is about the mechanics and NOT the DAMAGE, since lvl 90 gear can *possibly* balance our damage.

Ps: I can't drink hunters tears anymore.

Ps2: I'm winning a lot of duels, im not a newbie, but I do not like that playstyle. I feel like Blizz wants ppl without fingers or brains to play any class (they removed a lot of interesting stuff we had, and removed some buttons from every class).

Ps3: Playstation 3.

Miss those old times when you knew a newbie for inspecting his 0/0/71 talents, and potential good players on low gears for the same reason (Talents) :(.

[Proxzy]

I think eliminating Shadow's dispelling ability is quite fair. How many other dps specs had a defensive magic dispel on no cooldown? Plus mass dispel? An ability may be too strong when it is one of the main reasons a spec is brought into high arena ratings.
I agree wholeheartedly that having Psychic Horror use Shadow Orbs is a little meh. I almost never use Horror over Devouring Plague. However, I find pvp to be excellent compared to Cata.
Using FDCL and DI, I absolutely adore seeing a pack of the opposing faction. Dot everything up and let the procs fly. I easily top the damage in any BG that involves a relatively sustained fight. Coupled with popping VE, my friends and I never die.
In my opinion, our self and group healing abilities have greatly improved with the Dark Binding glyph and Vampiric Embrace. I constantly have ProM rolling on either me or my partner, and typically Renew/Shield on both. Life Grip not breaking Shadowform? Heaven sent.
We have gained more mobility with the first two tiers of talents. We have the option of picking up a snare, something we have been absolutely dying for.

Bottom line, just go check out one of the forums asking who the most overpowered class is in PvP, there are quite a lot of players screaming Nerf Shadow right now.

[Nephelee]

I love the new playstyle honestly :) constant procs giving us instant casts lets us stay mobile constantly. No longer going oom after a fight or two- not having to worry about Evangelism stacks + ES to maximize damage. Our MoP pvp set will also fix the problem with people dispeling VT. Being able to Phantasm fade + Spectral Guise to stop people from casting on you is also pretty amazing too imo. I feel like I have a lot more control over incoming damage and can adjust accordingly.

The only thing I dislike right now is fighting against healers.. I find it almost impossible to kill a good/geared Resto Druid, let alone multiple healers in a bg. I'm sure this will change at 90 though :)

[Jamboro]

Overall it's not too bad, just a few little things that bug me I guess.

Having to use orbs for horror kinda sucks, and I really really miss holy nova.

And not having a defensive dispel outside of MD is going to take a lot of getting used to. At least let us dispel ourselves - novas, dots, etc.; if they thing it's too much the way it was.

[Evilif]

I agree with Proxzy, however I was talking about playstyle.. and they want to see us nerfed now @ 85.. need to check stuff with balanced 90's damage..

I used to PvP a lot.. I was used to top bg's damage done/kills.. now looks like mages/locks/hunts will go back to top

I'm finding it really hard to dots are do more damage than those first 2 classes since our dots are doing low damage (duel a hunter, bm preferrably, ask him to stand still and look at vt+sw:p roll for their full duration, check how much damage it has done, seriously.. try this).

Well, that's it.. its basically about playstyle... I didn't want to abandon the old one but I will have to.. or reroll something else.

[Sacrosancto]

I believe and this is my opinion but full heartedly stand behind this. That this will be one of the best spriest pvp times yet. damage is going good on me pve and pvp. My epic moment where I decided that spriests are going to be awesome pvp wise is as follows. In towlong steps was doing the dread orb quest was level 88, finished quest mounted and ran out at top had 3 adds on me by this map that's starting to get harder to do, so as I start to focus on the adds, an 89dk shows up that lots of people have been complaining about all day and lays right into me, with proper use of CDs (psyfiend, psychic scream, psychic horror, dispersion, desperate prayer, Shields, vampiric touch and a little dropping form for self heals) I manage to take out firstly the three adds I just started to fight,turning my efforts on the dk manage to take him down while ending at about half health myself. After this incident I became very happy. Reason: damage has never been a major issue for shadow priests pvp it has always been survivability even tho we had dispersion which is awesome but that alone compared to the many tricks other classes have was sufficient most the time not always though. Not calling anyone right or wrong on this subject just my point of view on the matter at hand and thought I would share.