[H2P] How to use the Tier 13 4-piece set bonus.

[Kilee]

Yeah it sounds like you have a lot of haste (or possibely DI, or both). If you can fit 4 mind spikes inbetween each MB, and still have time for a tick or two of MF, you should do that. I don't know the exact percentage of haste where this becomes possible.

[Mikedexter]

I'm at 3235 haste, and it's doable for me if Berserking is up or if my Insignia of the Corrupted Mind procced. Which is probably like half the time.

[vegetamaker]

Hello. First @ all thanks for all information.

Now my problem and I really want solve it :3

My "Tier 13 4p bonus" rotation was like this:

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Shadowfiend + use Trinkets (if avaiable) + Arcangel
Spike x2
Mind blast
Spike x4
Mind Flay (2 ticks)
Mind Blast
Spike x2
Shadowfiend go off
mind flay (2 ticks for 5 evangelism stacks)
Mind blast
Dots

i was thinking that i was doing it well, but i checked that i cast about 1-2 mind spikes without orbs per rotation (checked without legendary staff too).

Later a friend said me other rotation:

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Shadowfiend + use Trinkets (if avaiable) + Arcangel
Spike x2
Mind blast (waiting till 3 orbs)
Spike x4
Mind Blast (waiting till 3 orbs)
Spike x2
Shadowfiend go off
Vampiric + Pain
Mind blast (still instant but without orbs)


And i checked that i never "lose" orbs for my mind spikes, but only if my haste is less than 2500. If i improve it to 2589 (my current cap) i still lose orbs.

What should I do for not loose them?

Btw, my friend say that it is impossible that, but it just happen

My latency is ~50 always

Thanks alot!

[Rayrife]

Rotation #3, the Bottled Wishes rotation

If you have Bottled Wishes trinket, this rotation is designed to try to take advantage of it. It is a variation on Rotation #2, but intended to take advantage of the limited proc time on the trinket. This rotation also does NOT use a cancel aura macro.

Mind Flay x 2, clip both after 2 ticks
Mind Spike x 2
Shadowfiend
Mind Blast + Archangel + Bottled Wishes
Mind Spike x 3
Mind Flay, clip after 2 ticks
Mind Blast
Mind Spike x 3
Vampiric Touch
Devouring Plague
Mind Blast
(Bottled Wishes, Shadowfiend, and AA end)

I use a modified version of the #3 rotation that goes something like this:

Mind Flay x 2 (clip both after 2 ticks)
Mind Spike x 3
Shadowfiend + Archangel + "/Cancelaura Mind Melt"
Mind Blast (hard cast)
Mind Spike x 3
Mind Flay x 2 (clip both after 2 ticks)
Mind Blast (instant cast)
Mind Spike x 3
Vampiric Touch
Shadow Word Pain (Shadowfiend ends)
Mind Blast (instant cast)
Devouring Plague (Archangel ends)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFKy9RUJ2gA
^ I made a video showing my opener and "rotation" to 5 million damage on the dummy.
I was basically self buffed with 399 ilvl, and used no consumables outside of the 80 Int Alchemy bonus.

You can do the first 5 spells (2 MF + 3 MS) in any order to get a 5 stack of Evangelism and 3 stack Mind Spike. Archangel lasts from right before the 1st Mind Blast until right after the 3rd Mind Blast so that all 3 Mind Blasts will be triple orb crits with Archangel up and hit for around 100k each.

[possibry]

hai rayrife <3

[Sin]

Would it be worth it to MSx3 before the rotation so that all 3 MB are crit under AA?

MF until 5 stacks of evangelism
MS x 3 (/cancelaura mind melt mid-cast on the last one)
SF
AA
MB (only 1 stack of mind melt)
MS x 5 (/cancelaura mind melt mid-cast on the last one)
MB (only 1 stack of mind melt)
MS x 3
VT
SW:P
MB (instant)
DP
Continue with rotation. (this is done with 2589 HST)

Would it be better to Flay instead of reapplying VT and SW:P at the end to stack evangelism before dotting?

Lastly, why sometimes SF gives 3 orbs almost instantly after being casted and sometimes it takes like 1-2 sec? I sometimes fuck up my first MB because of that.

After giving it some thoughts, it's probably because it's shadowcrawling. I'll try doing it manually and see what happens.

[Rubine]

Lastly, why sometimes SF gives 3 orbs almost instantly after being casted and sometimes it takes like 1-2 sec? I sometimes fuck up my first MB because of that.

Most likely the fiend got parried. I notice it all the time. It seems like my fiend always spawns in front of the boss instead of behind, so it's kind of annoying. Haha.

I have /cast [pet,nomodifier] Shadowcrawl bound to all of my attacks, so that as soon as I spawn my fiend and go to cast something else it triggers it to use Shadowcrawl. Even with it on auto-cast it frequently doesn't cast it on CD without being told to manually. Dumb pet AI.

[Methalan]

So what this is saying is to use Mind Spike when your 4pc bonus procs and then once it is done to replace your dots on the target and continue normal rotation?

[Sin]

Would it be worth it to MSx3 before the rotation so that all 3 MB are crit under AA?

MF until 5 stacks of evangelism
MS x 3 (/cancelaura mind melt mid-cast on the last one)
SF
AA
MB (only 1 stack of mind melt)
MS x 5 (/cancelaura mind melt mid-cast on the last one)
MB (only 1 stack of mind melt)
MS x 3
VT
SW:P
MB (instant)
DP
Continue with rotation. (this is done with 2589 HST)

Would it be better to Flay instead of reapplying VT and SW:P at the end to stack evangelism before dotting?

Lastly, why sometimes SF gives 3 orbs almost instantly after being casted and sometimes it takes like 1-2 sec? I sometimes fuck up my first MB because of that.

After giving it some thoughts, it's probably because it's shadowcrawling. I'll try doing it manually and see what happens.

I would very much like an answer to that. Is it worth it to MSx3 before AA and t13 rotation? On a fight like ultraxion, I lose ~10% of dot uptime, which is huge. But I gain as a conterpart a 3rd crit MB and a lot of 3 orbs MS.
Anyone done the math?

[Rayrife]

I would very much like an answer to that. Is it worth it to MSx3 before AA and t13 rotation? On a fight like ultraxion, I lose ~10% of dot uptime, which is huge. But I gain as a conterpart a 3rd crit MB and a lot of 3 orbs MS.
Anyone done the math?

If you have 4pc T13, then using one of the burst rotations is a DPS increase. Kilee's Bottled Wishes rotation uses 2 Mind Spikes before AA and MB, and I hate when Mind Blast still won't crit so I like to use a 3rd.