T13 2p bonus

[Blackmorgrim]

Yeah... so far, with the exception of madness or Ultraxion... SW:D really hasn't been much of an issue. Plus, when it comes to Ultraxion, I've been using the Dispersion glyph so I can phase out with the tanks every other 'big bang.' I'm in no rush to replace my heroic tier... and if anything, I'm looking more toward getting Cunning of the Cruel, and replacing some of my 378 off set pieces.

[Veiled]

The 2 piece bonus has nothing to do with DPS, of course. It's there so that you survive the massive damage. As stated previously, Madness was the only fight where I nearly killed myself (the other spriest that I raid with almost did too). Normal modes, SWD damage won't be a big deal but as soon as you get into heroics, I'm thinking that it will be completely necessary.

As far as the 4 pc is concerned, obviously the orb uptime will be better once you get into better heroic gear.

[Pankakez]

The 2 piece bonus has nothing to do with DPS, of course. It's there so that you survive the massive damage. As stated previously, Madness was the only fight where I nearly killed myself (the other spriest that I raid with almost did too). Normal modes, SWD damage won't be a big deal but as soon as you get into heroics, I'm thinking that it will be completely necessary.

As far as the 4 pc is concerned, obviously the orb uptime will be better once you get into better heroic gear.

The 2 Piece will be alot more crucial in HM progression starting next week so getting it ASAP is pretty crucial imo some of you guys may not be as hard core but not being able to exectue bc ur sitting at 50% health or lower isn't cool so the 2 piece is very nice and and a must grab for HM progression!

[Ariadne]

The 2 Piece will be alot more crucial in HM progression starting next week so getting it ASAP is pretty crucial imo some of you guys may not be as hard core but not being able to exectue bc ur sitting at 50% health or lower isn't cool so the 2 piece is very nice and and a must grab for HM progression!

Those 2-3 seconds you are holding off SW:D, are those seconds so precious that you want to sacrifice 15% increase MB damage over the entire fight? The answer isn't as clear cut as some make it out to be.

[Valiane]

Yes that is the thing you have to consider whenever I talk about anything regarding gearing/specs its always going towards heroic progression in the world first race, ofc I wouldnt say some of these things if it was just regular normal modes I was doing.

[Ariadne]

Yes that is the thing you have to consider whenever I talk about anything regarding gearing/specs its always going towards heroic progression in the world first race, ofc I wouldnt say some of these things if it was just regular normal modes I was doing.

The point still stands though, are those seconds so precious that you are willing to sacrifice 15% increased MB damage for the entire fight? I already knew you were talking from heroic mode stand point, my arguments were never based on normal mode only.

[Blackmorgrim]

Well tbh, when SW:D hits or crits with the 2pc bonus... its huge. And there's several fights where things are under 25% heath for substantial lengths of time. Like in Madness of deathwing, all of phase 2 is sub 20% on deathwing's head. You will want to hit Deathwing (probably make a macro to target him specifically) at any opportunity.

Here, its not so much that you're wearing the 2pc to top meters, but you need to be able to push out a certain level of dps at those times just to survive (Ultraxion works in this way too). Sure, the dps from the T12 4pc will help you get to that that sub 25% point faster, but it won't necessarily get you OUT of that phase fast enough.

Sub 25% health, the 2pc T13 surpasses 4pc T12 by a great deal.

On our Madness kill, I averaged 44357 on a non crit... with the 2pc bonus, that would have been 68753 NON-CRIT.

My crits averaged around 64180... with the bonus those would have been 99480. Not as big as the 130k MB crits I saw pre nerf... but, remember, we're getting 2 SW:D back to back.

[Valiane]

Yes that is the thing you have to consider whenever I talk about anything regarding gearing/specs its always going towards heroic progression in the world first race, ofc I wouldnt say some of these things if it was just regular normal modes I was doing.

The point still stands though, are those seconds so precious that you are willing to sacrifice 15% increased MB damage for the entire fight? I already knew you were talking from heroic mode stand point, my arguments were never based on normal mode only.

Its worth it yes

[Pankakez]

Yes that is the thing you have to consider whenever I talk about anything regarding gearing/specs its always going towards heroic progression in the world first race, ofc I wouldnt say some of these things if it was just regular normal modes I was doing.

The point still stands though, are those seconds so precious that you are willing to sacrifice 15% increased MB damage for the entire fight? I already knew you were talking from heroic mode stand point, my arguments were never based on normal mode only.

Its worth it yes

What valiane has said all comes down to heroic progression if you're not in a guild that is focused on getting good rankings and pushing the max deeps it can then prob 15% on mind blast may be worth it but lets he honest in equiv to the new 2 set not killing yourself on fights like madness and ultraxion where the burn phases below 25% are going to prob be absolutely insane and not being able to death at all without 2 piece is what is most likely going to happen and this also goes for alot of other fights!

[Valiane]

You are basically useless if you cant SWD